All one has is a mystery man who died between the 1841 and 1851 census in Edward Street. I have gone over the paper trail on the Staines side and can get as far as a best fit James Staines b 1804 parents John Staines and Alice. No other records for witnesses Nazar (Nasar Bassier) or Ann Baise have been found. Some of the witness names indicate that this 1587 marriage may be the grandparents or extended family of the grandparents of de la Croix. I am hoping that you may be able to help me identify possible Dutch ancestry. Benjamin Staines who married Esther had a son Benjamin b 1816 and his wife Mary Ann Garner is a Silk Weaver in the 1861 census Bethnal Green. Being able to find any of these documents is a blessing. I am relying on digitised records for searching. His eldest son James was indentured to a Butcher usually at 13 years of age, starting in about 1817 for a 7 year apprenticeship whereby his food and board were provided by his host and would be one less in the family to look after. It shows how tracing root names can be very problematic. At the same time I had my motherline and fatherline DNA tested, my fatherline was distinctly Scandanavian. Demand for their skills was very high in places like London. Believing this measure to be temporary, many Dutch people gave surnames that translated to hilarious or obscene phrases and words. Neither the groom nor bride appears to be living in Stepney. Hey cousin, I back to Leendert Conyn as well. I would also like to add that in reality what isn’t mentioned is what happens when code changes from one generation to the next, that is replication is not perfect and one ends up with a fuzzy representation of the original code. In between the two major immigration events in the 16th and 17th centuries are shortly thereafter they moved again to England. It is indicative of a mother in-law psychologically blocking out the previous marriage and children. Hi Shelley, I suggest you order this birth certificate to give you more information. However there was also a strong connection to north Europe (Belgium, Netherlands and France) which certainly confirms your previous comments regarding the Vandebaize family and now, quite possibly Staines as well. Correction: At the first marriage John would be 19 years 5-6 months old. The word “Staines” is broken into three movements St, ain, es in both cases. It is fully acknowledged that this does not offer the certainty that would otherwise arise from a record that contained the surname Vandebaize as a witness or a middle name say in a record. So John b 1804 (Butcher) may well have had to move away to find work too, presumably to Islington and place of marriage about 2km from St Leonards. For example, it may well have been Catherine who had the Dutch roots instead of Henry. Esther as a widow in 1851 and appears to have faired better than others in her circumstances. One is from his marriage to Alice Vandebaize in 1775 and the other is from his daughter Ann’s marriage to James Dwight in 1816 in St John, Hackney. The genitive endings which make these patronymics from the names of men, whether native names or foreign names, are: I. The story is their name was Dovenshock and that a family named Houseworth was leaving Germany but something happened so they gave their tickets to the Dovenshocks and when they got to the U.S. they had to keep the name in fear of deportation. As was Maryville, MO for those from southern Iowa. For this reason, a single family name can often be found in many different spellings in different documents. It is not unheard of but his age is noteworthy. The intended recording of ages in the 6th June 1841 Census was to round down to nearest 5 for ages 15 and above but apparently this wasn’t carried out by all enumerators and this is one such case. And so at the beginning of 2020 and after an exhaustive analysis based on the above observations and patterns of behaviour the more likely match is an Alice Vandebaize ancestry but with a cautionary low-moderate level of confidence attached to it. Thank you so much for replying to my post. That’s a Flemish name. On the marriage entry for Alice and John Staines, Charles Vandebaize is a witness and signed. What is the history of the family surname America? There are also far more English speaking people on the system and will therefore skew the results. I am getting some matches to the Netherlands and Belgium as well as the Iberian Peninsula however. Place of birth Iver, Buckinghanshire, which is west of Middlesex County. Bij voorbaat dank! All the children born unto this marriage thereafter are baptised at St Mathews. Families, who until that time had got on just fine without a surname, were suddenly obliged to pick a surname. I have an early New Netherlands ancestor referred to as Pieter Luyster and one of the islands off the coast was called “Luyster Island”…some of his descendants continued that surname, but mine is listed as Lester. People from Flanders spoke a Flemish version of Dutch. What kind of name change from the Dutch would result in Bird, an English name? Visit our Holland101.com to get list of unique Dutch baby girl Names with meaning. The birth dates are written in the baptism register which is helpful, however Henry was born after the introduction to civil registration so I cross referenced his name in the GRO indexes online (which now incidentally include the mother’s maiden name) and I found the following: 1838 Sept quarter Saint Pancras, Vol 1 Page 206 with mother’s maiden name Pond. And similarly there is Joos Vanden Steen in London being granted a letter of denization from the King of Spain in 1583. For some of my Dutch families it seemed to be used some times, but not others. I cannot say with any certainty that John W Staines b 1777 is my ancestor. Most informative article found to date on how generally ethnicity predictions are produced and the considerable variability in the estimates produced by each test house is reported in Science News, Vol 193 No 11 June 23 2018 p14 and online. The accuracy of these name definitions cannot be guaranteed. Frequency: 25,419 people in 2007; 17,553 in 1947 A Dutch occupational surname for a brewer of beer or ale, from the Middle Dutch brouwer. Thank you, One cannot simply pluck a name out of air 10-13 years earlier and then attach it to this family with any credibility and without any sources to base it on and without any proof any kind. But there isn’t anything substantial in the records for the Staines side in Southwark though, but nevertheless this scenario could be possible. In 1571 the main concentration of silk weavers were in Bishopsgate, Cripplegate and Southwark. correction: I meant early to mid 17th C….just off a hundred years is all…. 1841 Census: St Pancras, Smith’s Place There is a marriage of a John Staines and Alice Westfield in St George the Martyr in 1800, interestingly there appears to be no children to this couple in this parish after the marriage. Some more information has been found which presents a stronger case for a Vandebaize ancestry. Only two of these marriages could be John who married Alice Westfield in 1800. I have not yet found John Staines’ baptism, I have found Alice’s in Feb 1754 in Stepney, daughter of Charles and Martha. A ‘lijst’ is a frame, a ‘lijster’ is a bird (thrush). Fifth Batch experimental names: Vandersteen 1, de Pont 14, de Pond 14, le Pont 14, le Pond 14, Dupont 4, de la Croix 6, Steiner 6, Stiennes 0. Therefore his actual date of birth could be 4 years older than stated on the burial record and there is no outsider as such because as a weaver it was John Weymouth Staines who was buried in 1844 and was last living in Edward Street. I used My Heritage for the autosomal test, which does allow for an upload of other autosomal files and this might provide a different or more segregated ethnicity profile for comparison for your own benefit. He was schout fiscaal under Stuyvesant, whatever that means. When James got married he was 27 and his wife 24. I have come to the view that the most likely explanation is two sets of parents John Staines and Alice with children all registered at St Matthew or St Leonards in Middlesex. Should help. London, England: London Metropolitan Archives, and (ii) England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. There are some references elsewhere to a James Staines b1831 military service 1845-1854 Royal Navy but then there are more than one with this birth date and points to some involvement in the Crimean War. Also French Huguenots can have what is termed a Moorish appearance attributable to an ancient Scandinavian migration which also goes across Southern France and into the Iberian peninsula and North Africa. In addition the Weaveress in Charlotte Staines’s household in 1841 is using an anticipated married name Emma Appleby to Samuel Appleby who is also a silk weaver and born in Bethnal Green. So, what’s the story with Dutch surnames? In addition I have found there are at least four old French dialects in the South of France. In Dutch: Huyswaert or Huiswaard, eventually changed into Houseworth. The Dutch name “Holland” comes from “holt-land,” woodland. The modern French spelling of the town outside Lille is Tourcoing. There is a slot for a birth record say in Jan Feb to 3rd March 1781 for another born unto John Staines and Alice Vandebaize. You have done so much and provided an unbelievable amount of information and help. the pronunciation of Stuyvesant in New York with a ‘long i’ doesn’t surprise me, but, hypothetically, a street in Denver so pronounced would. Zondervan (without a surname) I can imagine the Dutch standing in line to register and having a few laughs at the expense of the French officials, only to have the name stick to them and their descendants for centuries. Charles Vandebaize and Martha’s estimated marriage date is around 1750, first born Philip 1751, and that would make Martha around 19-20 years old when she got married. Choosing one of the popular meaningful Dutch boy names for the baby boy will ensure respect and friendliness by his friends and society. I realize these are onomastic questions that don’t directly address genealogy, but I have found these threads very informative and I think people are interested in how Dutch names relate to their Americanized/Anglicized pronunciations. When Napoleon and the French occupied the Netherlands, they required the Dutch to create surnames for taxation and census purposes. 1848 is the daughter of Edward Lapidge and Alice Staines (marr. My uncle traced my dutch ancestors back to Hendrick Van Dyck. Just a few of the above variations do correlate with names in the Netherlands and Belgium. I did observe that I had a 2G up and 3G down match to a second cousin identifiable on my family tree. Your last name gives you a sense of identity and helps you discover who you are and where you come from. Records at either St Matthew Bethnal Green or St Leonards Shoreditch Middlesex, London. She was the daughter of Charles Vandebaize and Martha, who married circa 1750, and had10 children. So if you have access to the actual parish records either a marriage record or birth christening record that would provide any other information would be very useful and helpful. So whilst it appears there are many missing records (some due to warfare and other destructive acts) a likely explanation is the family comes from Wallonia, perhaps Liege which is known for its gun making craft) in modern day Belgium. Marcia – happy to see your reply. It suggests that after the death of two children they have relocated say in 1807 nearer to St Matthews presumably taking up residence in Edward Street. Can I help? And if that is the case perhaps John’s family from his second marriage to Charlotte in Southwark thought he was younger than he actually was when he got married. Birth of her first born son James may have taken place whilst under the care of her parents in Buckinghamshire during final stages of her pregnancy and subsequently christened in the same St Mary Islington Church after birth and after going back to live with her husband James at the time around Islington. An example of this would be Jan Dirksen, meaning Jan, son of Dirk. I lived for a while in West-Flanders (that’s the region of Bruges and Iepers) and a lot of Blankaerts are living there. In Belgium ‘de Groodt’ is a lot more common. This isn’t reliant on a hard proof nor does it provide one with a high level of confidence. So the possibility that James Staines who was born in St Leonards in December 1804 (right in the middle of my ancestor’s birth date range) with parents John and Alice remains open and therefore has not been solved as previously thought. Therefore one should not be too put off that no match came it, because it is really a hit and miss affair and it looks like the odds were firmly stacked against it. So in addition to all the other factors this fuzziness is likely to be very different down different branches of the tree. With respect to James b1804 what one is looking for is any information to confirm that this James married Esther. There is a village called Limbricht in Limburg, but that’s a small village for which it doesn’t make sense to refer to the southern portion. My last name is Hogan, though through ancestry I have been able to trace it back to its original spelling of Hoegen (at least I think it’s the original). Moreover in 1841 John gets younger (birth date range 1787-1791). Now concerning James and Esther – My Dutch ancestors also immigrated to Iowa in the mid 1800s. Of een oude versie van Duivenhok, =>Dove shed. Patronymics. Hello Yvette John’s father John had married Alice Vandebaize in 1775. So that might help if one were able to physically search for any other records in the Netherlands and Belgium archives using Baize or Baisé. And on Mr Heritage the Iberian footprint appears to be inclusive of various parts of France and may cover all of France and over and into the Spanish Netherlands. He married an Alice (surname unknown) circa 1800. Hello Kathryn, Vanderjagt / Vanderjacht is a original Dutch name, and Adrian is a old unckle from me, the came from early 1500 from the isle IJsselmonde South Holland the village Barendrecht, most of them where farmers til W.O. Different regions had different traditions. Muscatine, Iowa was just a ferry ride from Illinois. We will never know what the truth of this aspect is. These earlier 16th century Huguenots anglicised their names and blended in with Anglo-marriages much earlier on than those who migrated or sought refuge say from 1680 onwards. It suggests the root name in English is more like Baize or perhaps Baisé. But we don’t now whether they understood where the boundaries actually were and may have thought Islington was outside Middlesex for example. I have uploaded my My Heritage DNA file to FTDNA and have doubled up my ethnical footprints as a result. I also found a lieutenant Lucas Conijn in Amsterdam on a painting by Govert Flinck. The Isaak with … A group of them in Limburg. The first Houseworth or Housworth is Henry born abt 1740 where I don’t know, and died bet 1775 & 1783 if this is my family I have in New York where his son Michael was born. Lesley De Groodt, Dear Lesley, in dutch spelling your last name would be spelled as de Groot. People often migrated in groups so if they traveled with Huguenots, chances are that they were from France and changed their name after emigration. There are two death records entered for a John Staines in Middlesex between 1841 and 1851 with birth dates attributed to the 18th century. Hetty is also nickname for ancient Greek Hester and the Latin equivalent Esther. Leiden as a refuge was the most populace centre next to London for old French speaking people from the Spanish Netherlands. But there is no known record of that occurring that I can find. Only after the most trying examination could I conclude it was a likely match for Esther. And you show Vink as becoming Fink or Phink but I have an ancestor whose surname appears to have been Vink/Vinck but his son (who was a child when they arrived from Rotterdam via Dover in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 18 Sep 1727) later used “Wink”. It is world that is in some ways still as regressive as the days of Little Dorrit and just as fearful of those it chose to rule over and yet on the other hand and in some ways quite progressive. Thereafter I did some experimentation with the matching search tool on Mr Heritage. What I can say is there may well be some Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-Norman Staines who were apprenticed into Silk Weaving. Hello my father’s dad’s side comes from the Netherlands or so I’ve read. From my own personal point of view, I have one parent of Mediterranean descent however the test showed I had just over 25% south European. There are two records for baptisms in Leiden, the Netherlands. Yes, the Huguenots came to the Netherlands too, mostly to the province of Zeeland but several families settled in Leiden and Amsterdam too. Ann’s uncle Benjamin Vandebaize is the other witness and signatory. But the probability that they are in the main connected to one another starts to asymptote towards 1 the more of them that are found. However, their name was sometimes shortened to the original name. There is a case for a Vandebaize ancestry on my side based on observations of movements, occupations, behaviours, naming conventions and proximity of family and friends. Leon de Pre is the husband of Magdelaine del Croix (de la Croix). This then means James and/or Hetty did understand the question about the County of Birth on the census form in June 1841. The meaning of Cas is ‘imperial’. There are also some records in for the Leiden Walloon Church. Hi Yvette, so I often browse around the internet trying to find out more information about my surname. My grandfather was Pieter Vanderjagt born Aug 25 1890 Hilverson, Holland. I realize that illiteracy and the language barrier resulted in many surnames being changed – some into different variations even in the same generation. The conclusion I reached was any name match beyond 3G and not a direct match with the same autosomal match name is extremely unreliable and inconclusive. Have you heard of or read about my name before? Hi Tamie, There are three Staines related DNA matches coming up which might help but is dependent on how old they are. The one he published in 1576 some 16 years after the Amboise plot provides the most accurate and reliable account of the origin of the Huguenot tag. Daughter parishes were thereafter created from it. These are all very different. And in part any next of kin left to provide such information at the time of death is most unlikely to even know what day it is. There are lots of traps for young players. Out of the blue my mom said her mothers family came from the Netherlands, I always understood they where from Germany. And then at the other end are there any actual birth christening parish records for the three boys born unto James and Esther that would shed any more light on occupations, witnesses rather than relying on a digitally transcribed record that has been put onto a computer system for searching purposes. Alice Westfield b1781 had just turned 19 years of age a few days before her wedding. Work was allocated by Masters on a daily basis who also provided the raw materials. St Catharina Gasthuis Chapel is located in Breestraat, Leiden. I have researched the Vandebaize family (and have found over 130 different spellings of the name) back to the 1630s in England. It points to old French speaking and possibe family or extended members from outside old French speaking Wallonia (with a Walloon dialect) to places of origin in old East Flanders near Lille near the border in this case with old France and who most likely spoke Picard old french dialect. Ex… So they were probably living in villages and cities when they got their name. II its one of the oldest family’s from the isle of IJsselmonde, I search my family about 70 years there are 6 different clan’s van der Jagt, my genealogy have on the moment over 80.000 persons from the Netherlands and all over the world, in the USA you will find descendants names in 6 different ways of writing. De means The. Hi Yvette- My grandmother’s maiden name was Goudzwaard and I have been able to trace roots back to the 1400’s. Charlotte has already shown a propensity to colour in the truth because she isn’t all that happy with the image projected by their age difference. The common connection on the Staines side appears to be weaving. According to two independent sources going beyond 7 generations is below the detectable noise level with any confidence, which applies to at least one of us. Hope you found out some more Gil? And so limiting these estimates to the last 1% for any individual is about as far as one could push this. I had always thought a surname beginning with Gold was more than likely Jewish. My name is Paul Konijn and I live in Belgium. They actually got married on Christmas Day 1841. The name could have been Rademaker (meaning: wheelmaker). There are a few rare documented accounts in books of Huguenot friends and family corresponding across the English Channel and immigrating between these main upheavals. It suggests the maker was familiar with the French language. There is an 1851 census record in Buckinghamshire with Grandparents John and Hannah Pond, grandson Alfred Staines est (b June 1843-1844). If you don’t have any records that point to a Dutch or German origin, I would not start research here. Dutch Surnames Home » Names. I was only able to locate this Street because of an account of their history in Bethnal Green and locations on an old map provided by the Mallandain family web site. And like asking what is English ethnicity it is fair to say that Belgium and French ethnicity is recognised as having an Iberian sub-group so to speak. Two finger typing has a few drawbacks. Also French Huguenots of the name Du Pont changed it to Pont when they sought refuge in Holland and some of those eventually went to places like London. We were under the impression that my husband’s King surname came from Koenig. You can order PDF versions of the birth certificates online from the website- http://www.gro.gov.uk. There is also a time factor to take into account when looking at these ethnicity maps as well as the considerable variability in them from one sibling to the next and from one test house to the next. This Census record does not therefore connect upstream to the Huguenot Vandebaize side. Regarding how Dutch names are pronounced in US, it should also be noted that the Dutch IJ has no equivalent in English and those of us with the IJ had the spelling changed to either ‘y’ (which I am not sure the Dutch use at all) or in my case to ‘ie’. Or so it appears. What is disconcerting is the number of missing records and parish records for example you have been able to locate which don’t appear to have been digitised. So better to get this sorted out and corrected than not being sure about it. The ‘elusive’ John Weymouth Staines was the second child of Alice Vandebaize and John Staines, born 1777 (his sister Elizabeth was one year older). Pim would sound great with any surname. The earliest known church for Vandebaize is St Olive, which was saved by William Penn’s father and some men from the Navy yards nearby during the great fire of London 1666. Is this John Staines and Alice Westfield or an aged Alice Vandebaize? In addition there are many missing records and latching onto the only available one that looks like it might be a match without any other corroboration simply won’t do is the conclusion I have had to come to. It remains an open possibility but without any certainty. Hello, The 1841 census gives the older brother James’s birth date as 1831. He came from Utrecht, Holland. I’ve had an interest in the pronunciation of American surnames for a while. The last name is now Conine but was konijn before it got changed in 1600’s when first arrived. I think the spelling got changed when people wrote what they heard. This random sampling of Dutch surnames is sorted by surname, with the tussenvoegsel following the name after a comma. However this points to another James Staines with no trace to a family. The search result will still contain some data in Dutch, though. Huguenots were Nobles, Doctors, Lawyers, Historians, Intellectuals, Craftsman and Artisans and loyal to the Crown. Also Francis Staines and his wife are Silk Dyers and his daughter is Weaveress in the 1851 Census living in Bethnal Green. Also trying to determine what diimmen van den houten might have been Americanized too. Do you have contemporary sources to confirm that or is it a family story? In comparing these signatures one has to try to recreate the hand movements involved. johannes casper steynmets(b1585), johannes k, kasparius, phillipus, johann f, karlhelm, karl, johannes jobst (b1350), jobst, coussaint, michelius, bernardus(born in France 1223 though every other generation in Germany (why? Charles , who was born in 1731,was the youngest child of Philip and Mary, who married circa 1703, because their first child Elizabeth was born in 1704. I cannot find anyone else with that name in the records, and I am curious as to what the actual name might be, or what the anglicized version of the name might be? It appears that I am also a descendant. However outside the English speaking world and given that one is looking at the topmost visible layer today the rankings are Netherlands 99, Germany 89, Sweden 85, Denmark 58. Then I would have more confidence about being connected to this Staines family in St Pancras and then also to the Vandebaize Huguenot side upstream. It is becoming apparent that what is generally thought of as an ethnicity ancestry and what these labs are producing is not the same. Van is a very common prefix in Dutch language surnames, where it is known as a tussenvoegsel. And James Staines census (b1801-1805) also married a Esther sometimes shown as Hester. In the History of France by M Michelet published in 1847 it is spelt Baize in English. [ Read: Elegant Baby Names] 10. 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