I use caps for the second group: The lamb and the bridegroom are Jesus (don't ask). Ihr Töchter Zions, kommt heraus, Sein Ausgang eilet aus der Höhe In euer Mutter Haus. Oh Zion! Lyrics for Matthäus Passion, BWV 244: Chorus: Kommt, Ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen / Choral: O Lamm Gottes by Pieter Jan Leusink, Pieter Jan Leusink, The Bach Choir and Orchestra of the Netherlands, The Bach Choir & Orchestra of the Netherlands. Music strokes, caresses, aggresses. But because notes do not translate into everyday experience, why two people can agree they enjoy the same piece of music is always a bit of a mystery. Come you daughters, help me to lament, see, whom? Professor, your love of Bach and music is endearing. View Download PDF: Chorus: "Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen" (BWV 244 No. File history Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. But nowadays it's treated as concert music. Translation of 'BWV 244 Matthäus Passion 1. But perhaps a better one is, Why not? Oh when those tanks As someone who endured those interminable Good Friday Lutheran services as a child, I am not certain we are into the crucifixion thing more than anyone else, but we ARE into the idea that all this historical brutality was because of OUR sins. This recording is performed by the Choir and Orchestra of Collegium Vocale Ghent and conducted by Philippe Herreweghe on the 28 March 2010. Suzuki is fantastic (as is his mentor, Koopman). The SMP was performed only twice in his lifetime (which is TRULY a mindboggling concept), so there's lots of speculation about the performances. At around 6:13 you can here the music building to the climax. Everything he heard or played left him cold. But with music it seems that love and meaning are inseparable. den Bräutigam, seht ihn, Wie? -the bridegroom, Seht ihn - Wie? English words for Töchter include daughter and subsidiary. Das der Töchter zeigt Richtung Bett. o Best SMP interpretations? 1) for Winds & Strings (30 pages - 432.68 Ko) 365x⬇ CLOSE Now that you have this PDF score, member's artist are waiting for a feedback from you in exchange of this free access. After a brief instrumental introduction the chorus doesn't enter so much as burst in on the listener in a wave of grief that still startles, even shocks me with its power. Herreweghe is probably my favorite (his 2nd recording in the late 90s). That's why the words are so important. 3:32-4:44 This section has similar notes and rhythm to the last bit but the words are different (see the words at the top of this article). But back in Bach's days, it was more like gospel music in black baptist churches, ie, it was an integral part of a religious experience. DeclensionTochter is a feminine noun. I’m always impressed with your musical knowledge. Check out J.S. So two different people might enjoy the same piece of music but not for the same exact reasons. Johann Sebastian Bach's St Matthew Passion was first performed on 11 April 1727 in St Thomas Church,Leipzig,Germany. Only Mozart's music matches Bach's perfection, but Bach is more complex and more human than the Salzburg wunderkind. Oh Zion! Mozart could worship at the altar of Bach, Handel, Haydn, etc. 2: Recitative [Tenor] Continuo: Er kommt, er kommt, He comes, he comes, Der Bräutgam kommt! Oh when those tanks I just shrugged my shoulders because I didn’t have any good reply to that. I'd love to read your opinion of this chorus, and even better, a detailed analysis of the technique behind the magic. Ihr eigentliches Vorhaben, ihr Leben wieder in den Griff zu bekommen, erweist sich als schwieriger als gedacht. All things counted by seven, and so able to be communicated by musical notes. Since the Middle Ages, Christian churches have observed Holy Week by setting the story of Christ's crucifixion to music. Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen, Come, you daughters, help me to lament, Sehet - Wen? It features two orchestras and three choirs! "Auf unsre Schuld" again bringing the piece back into its original key. On the other hand, I've been listening to the SMP for four decades -- at this point, I can't resist mentioning that my first full exposure to the SMP, at de Gaulle's funeral, gave Nixon, Ben Gurion, and the Queen of England a chance to walk right by the young teenager that I was and who was then wondering what a marvelous place his native city would be if the PA system could blast Bach in the streets 24/7 as it did on that day. Which brings up the issue of intentionality. als wie ein Lamm, sehet, Was? You may only read this site if you've purchased, Posted by: Mike Meyer at June 21, 2009 12:04 AM, Posted by: Not Exactly at June 21, 2009 12:19 AM, Posted by: Guest at June 21, 2009 01:28 AM, Posted by: Rupa Shah at June 21, 2009 10:54 AM, Posted by: Rupa Shah at June 21, 2009 11:47 AM, Posted by: Bernard Chazelle at June 21, 2009 01:43 PM, Posted by: Bernard Chazelle at June 21, 2009 03:30 PM, Posted by: Bernard Chazelle at June 21, 2009 05:19 PM, Posted by: techno at June 22, 2009 12:47 AM. I prefer HIP (ie period instruments) and I am not so crazy about the Germans (Klemperer/Furtwangler/Richter/Harnoncourt) -- Karajan is plodding. For example, how could a city like Leipzig field such a large ensemble with music making such demands on its members? "Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen" (Come, you daughters, help me lament) is a musical Agnus Dei and starts at the end. But his goal was first and foremost to create a religious experience in which he was himself engaged, and that, more than anything, informed his writing. At 3:12 there is a short orchestra only section which leads in to the next section. Buxtehude. Sure, we can all agree that if a piece of music is to be mysterioso that it should be written in a minor key but that doesn’t really explain why a minor key is better suited for mysterioso than a major key even though we know it is from listening. Wacht auf, ermuntert euch! Hohelied 3:11 Schlachter 2000 (SCH2000). Notice at 7:22, the sopranos in both choruses and the orchetsra plays a quick trill leading to the lovely end chord. It's like an engine revving up. - als wie ein Lamm! Der Bräut’gam kommt, der einen Rehe und jungen Hirschen gleich auf denen Hügeln springt und euch das Mahl der Hochzeit bringt. As for "Kommt Ihr Töchter"--it is a work of such stunning complexity and nuance, it might be argued that nothing else in SMP even comes close. Oh Zion! Wacht auf, ermuntert euch! I think I see what you mean -- though music is logical (or good music is logical) it is still an abstract so each listener experiences it a little differently. So I have to assume it was incredibly draining emotionally. ... Ihr Töchter Zions, kommt heraus, Sein Ausgang eilet aus der Höhe. Looking back, I think it was absurd to try to imagine the petty misdemeanors of a child were responsible for a crucifixion, but it probably wasn't so bad to learn that personal wickedness can lead to greater tragedies. I spent a lot of time on this! Not at all a "recital." The whole piece takes 3+ hours to perform but this 7 and a half minute section is at the very beggining of the whole piece. Again, what could you possibly say to that, how can you convey the excitement of a really great rhythm section and how it interacts with the soloist which sometimes seems like ESP. Oh when those tanks Others speculate this large orchestration was only in Bach's dreams and the ensembles were much smaller (which would be more realistic). seht die Geduld, seht, Wohin? Virtually every aspect of music that matters to me is contained in it in one way or the other. But still.... a Hungarian friend told me that everyone who speaks Hungarian speaks perfectly (b/c no one takes 2 years of Hungarian). Please show this to your friends who like music! 1 Kommt, ihr Töchter.png. At 2:04 notice that the tenors sing the main words while all the other parts move around them in complex melodys. They then repeat this again. It is said to be the greatest peice of sacred classical music ever written. Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen, Sehet - wen? It is the seductive beauty of a musical sunrise that announces a day of treachery, death, and disillusionment. 3 I have found that there are only so many times one can listen to a pop tune before the thrill is gone. I can still listen to "Idiot Wind" but "Yesterday" makes me yawn. then the altos in chorus 2 sing "Wohin?" If Bach only wanted to write good music, it's hard to believe it would have been half as good. Please excuse my typing error! Go rollin' in The same thing is true of musical notes. Except perhaps for the Art of Fugue, his religious choral works on a different plane altogether than the rest of his output. With Reverso you can find the German translation, definition or synonym for ihr kommt and thousands of other words. It is said to be the greatest peice of sacred classical music ever written. Or a rain of Willy Pete Ah, but words have meaning while notes do not: if a poem is a message then a song is a massage. - den Bräutigam, Sehet ihn - wie? At 2:34 the ripieno chorus joins in singing "O Lamm Gottes, unschuldig Am Stamm des Kreuzes geschlachtet" whilst both choruses carry on singing the same words from before. Words are very inadequate. Sie bekommt es nicht nur mit ihrem stärksten Widersacher – Edward Cullen – zu tun, der ihr in mehr als nur einer Hinsicht das Leben schwer machen will. The SMP was Bach's 4th Passion. Yes it is difficult to convey the excitement of listening to good jazz. And still others have told me they like melody but they don’t hear any melody in jazz. The 18th century flute looks like this. Bach's nested circles are a theological reinterpretation of time meant to shatter the linear ordering of past, present, and future. Is that the soldiers I hear At 6:35 you can hear nearly everyone singing the long sorrowful melismatic sequence. In those bunkers Go rollin' in With Reverso you can find the German translation, definition or synonym for ihr kommt and thousands of other words. ", Meanwhile the other choruses are still telling us about the weeping daughters of Zion. Bach's 18th century Passion According to St. Matthew is exceptional for its musical richness and grand scope. A Major 6 chord sounds at rest while the E minor 7 wants to resolve. Unlike Coltrane's music, it is easily accessible, but that instant welcome is deceptive. Bernard, does rehearsing and performing the St. Matthew's Passion have the same emotionally draining effect on musicians and singers? Another person told me that jazz made her dizzy. Herreweghe probably has the fewest weaknesses: great soloist, great "swing," great drama. Der Bräutgam kommt, der einem Rehe Und jungen Hirsche gleich Auf denen Hügeln springt Und euch das Mahl der Hochzeit bringt. auf unsre Schuld, sehet ihn aus Lieb und Huld Holz zum Kreuze selber tragen! But when you play the note F# as in the example of the descending line you wrote then F# is imbued with meaning just like the word bird. 5:56-6:45 Choruses 1 and 2 sing the melodys similar to before. Dort, sehet, kommt er hergegangen. Or an F-18 You may say it's no different from poetry. You can complete the translation of ihr kommt given by the German-English Collins dictionary with other dictionaries: Wikipedia, Lexilogos, … It is said to be the greatest peice of sacred classical music ever written. Töchter wollen «Einfühlungsvermögen», «facettenreiche Persönlichkeit» und «körperliche Attraktivität». It's like a fractal line: the more you look, the more you see. Of this there is no doubt, the St Matthew Passion is the greatest piece of music in the Western canon. And it's been only 7 minutes. 2. Such a powerful vocal entry is also something you'll hear nowhere else. At 0:27 you can hear the violins above all the other instruments. Only the experts do it. Den Bräutgam zu empfangen! With only 3 more hours to go! Notice that at 3:02 the ripieno chorus holds onto the note for a long time which holds the piece together. Notice how the same words and phrases are repeated several times. Ihr müsset ihm entgegen gehn! In euer Mutter Haus. Remember that, in German, both the spelling of the word and the article preceding the word can change depending on whether it is in the nominative, accusative, genitive, or dative case. The whole good friday vespers would run 4 hours: 3 hours of music with in the middle a 1-hour sermon. Ihr Töchter Zions, kommt heraus, Sein Ausgang eilet aus der Höhe In euer Mutter Haus. I take these convulsions of sorrow to be Bach's way of saying that the Crucixion may ultimately spell salvation for humankind, but one must never forget the horror and human pity of the event itself. Another example might be when people ask “well what’s the difference between a G Major 6 chord and an E minor 7 chord?” They both contain the exact same notes and I think the best answer is that (other than the bass notes) you have to look at where the chord is in the progression noting the chords that come before and after. seht die Geduld, seht, Wohin? Oh Zion! Oh when those tanks They're all Bach scholars. Johann Sebastian Bach's St Matthew Passion was first performed on 11 April 1727 in St Thomas Church,Leipzig,Germany. This call-and-response is repeated twice. I'll return to it. What does GAZA One person told me they didn’t like jazz because it reminded them of smoky night clubs. Bach. No potty break. Translate texts with the world's best machine translation technology, developed by the creators of Linguee. In my opinion I think it is the best section of the whole piece. And to do it right, one must train children to participate in this musical complexity. Find more German words at wordhippo.com! I think the only thing I might disagree with is the idea that words have meaning while musical notes do not. In some bunker 11 Kommt heraus, ihr Töchter Zions, und betrachtet den König Salomo mit dem Kranz, [] mit dem seine Mutter ihn bekränzt hat an seinem Hochzeitstag, am Tag der Freude seines Herzens! Not sure why. It sounds all very pretty the first time around but I don't think one can (well, I couldn't) hear all the separate voices without some practice. The SMP starts with a bang, probably the most stunning musical intro ever. Come you daughters, help me to lament, see, whom? It is the seductive beauty of a musical sunrise that announces a day of treachery, death, and disillusionment. A bit of a paradox, no? If all you hear is a big wall of sound, then it sounds like fine Baroque harmony but you're missing a lot. Is that lightening strike At 6:17 the ripieno chorus sings "Erbarm dich unser, o Jesu!" Oh when those tanks The ripieno chorus is usually sung by children but in this recording it is sung by adults. then the sopranos and tenors in chorus 2 repeat "Wohin?" A poem: Den Bräutgam zu empfangen! 0:00-0:22. Kommt ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen, sehet, Wen? Maybe some are interested by the counterpoint or perhaps someone else is enthralled by the beautiful melodic lines of Bach’s music. This is up to your usual excellent standard. Er kommt, er kommt, Der Bräutgam kommt! Sure, Bach also had the French and Italian masters to learn from, but no artist in history ever so towered over his elders. SMP as Lutheran Gospel music. - den Bräutigam, See-Whom ? Was the musicianship just so much higher than now? Go rollin' in Lutherans are more into the crucifixion thing than Catholics, so I believe that feeling the pain and the emotion was an essential part of the experience. For a version without that error, see: File:BWV 244 Nr. As always, entertaining and enlightening -- and extremely well written. We now have three choruses competing for attention! i'm a hopelessly remedial student, but it's still much appreciated. He was at the absolute peak of his technical skills when he composed it. Er kommt, er kommt, Der Bräutgam kommt! This first movement leaves you breathless and emotionally drained. The bridegroom, see him, how? I like the English style, too (especially Gardiner). Not to mention spelling stuff with the letters. Der Bräutigam kommt, der einem Rehe. Translation of 'BWV 244 Matthäus Passion 1. Then after all the tension and sorrow in this piece, it ends with a beautiful major chord. You can complete the translation of ihr kommt given by the German-English Collins dictionary with other dictionaries: Wikipedia, Lexilogos, … Die Streicher der Staatskapelle Dresden klingen schlank, aber warm: perfekt. Is that the thunder's pound The takeoff at 0:23 climbs up the scale of G. Hold that thought. This happens alot in this section of St Matthew Passion. Oh when those tanks then everyone in chorus 2 repeats it again! Ihr Töchter Zions, kommt heraus, Sein Ausgang eilet aus der Höhe In euer Mutter Haus. Bach's St Matthew Passion: 1st chorus: Kommt, ihr Töchter. On the other hand, I find this version a little too fast. But they still don't like it afterwards, that's it. Hopefully it'll entice them to listen to it. Oh Zion! See him- How ? Ultimately, staying power is the measure of all art. Kant lived a life of stultifying monotony, yet he became the greatest philosopher since Aristotle. Look up words and phrases in comprehensive, reliable bilingual dictionaries and search through billions of online translations. Johann Sebastian Bach's St Matthew Passion was first performed on 11 April 1727 in St Thomas Church,Leipzig,Germany. At 0:34 the piece takes on a happy and major feel but then reverts back to the sad and serious music again. 3. I've always been especially moved by the final chorus, "Und da sie den Lobgesang gesprochen hatten." At 5:07 the ripieno chorus sings the legato section whilst the main choruses sing the same staccato section over them. Bach: St. Matthew Passion, BWV 244 / Part One - No.1 Chorus I/II: "Kommt, ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen" by Wiener Singverein & Chor der Deutschen Oper Berlin & Knabenstimmen des Staats- und Domchores, Berlin & Berliner Philharmoniker & Herbert von Karajan on Amazon Music. This is the kind of passage that I believe requires initiation. Can you recommend an SMP recording or two? Again the ripieno chorus sings the simple tune over the two main choruses complex melodys. (Whom?) Words can't help. - seht die Geduld, See – What ? Bach - Matthäuspassion - 01 - Kommt, ihr Töchter (part 2) Chorus 1 sings "Seht!" Emmanuel Music continues to perform cycles of large-scale and chamber works by Bach, Handel, Mozart, Schubert, Brahms, Debussy, Haydn, Schoenberg, Weill, Wolf, Medelssohn, and Schumann under Artistic Director Ryan Turner. Music is both the most physical and the most abstract of all arts. Lyrics for Matthäus Passion, BWV 244: Chorus: Kommt, Ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen / Choral: O Lamm Gottes by Pieter Jan Leusink, Pieter Jan Leusink, The Bach Choir and Orchestra of the Netherlands, The Bach Choir & Orchestra of the Netherlands. go rollin' in Notice that at 5:23 the orchestra goes into the original key. You are right, people have to experience it or they don’t and who knows why? Der Bräutgam kommt, der einem Rehe Und jungen Hirsche gleich Auf denen Hügeln springt Und euch das Mahl der Hochzeit bringt. Kommt ihr Töchter, helft mir klagen, sehet, Wen? Why does music move you? Then straight after, chorus 1 sings. 0:10-1:26 The piece starts with a sad and serious feeling to it because you can hear the low drones from the church organ. Just as a poem is a collection of words with the right arrangement, so music is a time series with the right Fourier spectrum. The following video clip helped to do that ( may be, it was because how the three choruses were distinctly separated and one could separate their voices). One has to.) At 1:50 the singing is truly beautiful. Since the Middle Ages, Christian churches have observed Holy Week by setting the story of Christ's crucifixion to music. The dirty little secret about the Baroque era is that it is among the poorest musically. 2:14-3:31 Chorus 1 sings "Sehet!" Oh well.). 1:27-2:13 Chorus 1 starts singing. Er kommt, er kommt, der Bräut’gam kommt, ihr Töchter Zions, kommt heraus, Sein Ausgang eilet aus der Höhe in euer Mutter Haus. At 4:20 there is again an orchestra only section. 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